Tim:
And we are recording. About to call Brandon Boone from The NoSleep Podcast. Hello?
Brandon:
Hello, Tim.
Tim:
It's pretty quiet. Let me turn you up.
Brandon:
Yep.
Tim:
How's that?
Brandon:
Is that better?
Tim:
Oh, yeah. That's a lot better. Can you hear me?
Brandon:
Okay. Yeah. I can hear you.
Tim:
Okay, cool. I got a lav thing going here. I got like a shure 55 pointed at the phone and the lav mic.
Brandon:
Oh, cool.
Tim:
Oh, man. I'm glad I got a chance to talk to you. I'm really excited.
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
Yeah. So, you don't see... I mean, I love the, I love the sound that you've been for... Uh, uh, actually, before I, before I start doing that, uh, let's talk about, uh, so you're Brandon Boone.
Brandon:
Yes.
Tim:
Where do you come from?
Brandon:
I am out of Cincinnati, Ohio.
Tim:
Oh, cool. And you, work scoring the podcast for The NoSleep Podcast?
Brandon:
I do.
Tim:
Tell us about that.
Brandon:
Well, it all kind of happened almost by accident. I was a fan of the show back in the early days, season one, season two. And, I think it was season three or just before season three started, David Cummings, the show runner had mentioned that at some point... and I, I've tried to get back to find when he said this. And I can't find it anywhere, so maybe I imagined it. But, uh, he kind of mentioned something about how the podcast was becoming a lot of work. And-
Tim:
Oh, I, I think I remember that.
Brandon:
Okay. So, I didn't hallucinate it, which is good. Um-
Tim:
No. I remember that. Yeah. I've, I've been a fan since probably about the same time.
Brandon:
Okay. That's cool. So, I still have my faculties left. he mentioned needing help. And at the time, I had done... I, I have da- like dabbled in music here and there in computers and, you know, electronic music and that kind of thing. And, uh, I was volunteering at a local radio station for the blind called the Cincinnati, oh, I forget what the name, Cin- Cincinnati Association for the Blind and Visually Impaired. My wife volunteered there as a voice actress, um, for these like radio plays. And they would occasionally need music, and so I volunteered to help write music for it.
Brandon:
And then because I had done that, I kind of was able to put together a type of demo reel. I sent it to David and said, "Hey, you know, if you need any help with music, here's some stuff that I've done." And, he liked it and gave me a shot on one story. I wanna see how it worked, and then that led to another story, and then, then another. And then by season four or five, I was doing all of it, and here I am. (laughs)
Tim:
Did I, did I, uh... w- was I hallucinating or did I hear that David scored the song in the last episode?
Brandon:
I don't know if he's scored a song for it-
Tim:
Or he wrote a song or something. He said the, the... he said the music is produced by Brandon Boone and David Cummings.
Brandon:
Oh, yeah. He, he very well may have. Sometimes, um, he'll, uh, add somet- something here and there. And, uh, just, you know, just to make sure credit is, you know, where it's due. Um, I actually don't know. He didn't, he didn't say anything to me about it. But, there are times when, like, especially, like an advertisement or something, he'll either use up m- he's written or, um, you know, library music that kind of thing.
Tim:
Oh, cool. Um, uh, when you say you just kind of like dabbled in electronic music here and there, um, were you, uh... Oh, actually, um, I don't know if it was you that tweeted, but I think it was David. He kind of brags about how you're self-taught.
Brandon:
Uh, yeah. David probably did that. (laughs) Yeah, I, I taught myself, um, basically when, uh, David allowed me to join the show. I kind of started taking it more seriously because I felt I had... um, I was accountable for it. So, um, I ha- I had, you know, just kind of played around with, like, mini-controllers. And I had a synthesizer that I bought. Um, and re- I was in Reason at the time.
Tim:
Oh, cool. I remember that one.
Brandon:
Yeah. And, uh, so then, I was kind of like, "Oh, this, you know, this is like"... I was... I feel like volunteering for the show at that time, but i- i- it felt really important to me. So, I went and I took like, um, maybe two months of piano lessons to kind of learn the basics. And then I'm sort of teaching myself from that point just off of YouTube videos. And like, I bought, um... Well, what is it called? It's like the introductory book to composition from Berkeley, that kind of stuff. And I started, you know, doing my little workbook. Yeah.
Tim:
You know, I, I think, I think I probably remember when this happened because all of a sudden, sudden, the music started getting really good, which is, which is probably around the time I started tweeting at you.
Brandon:
(laughs) okay, cool. Yeah.
Tim:
C- uh, because remember in the uh-
Brandon:
[crosstalk 00:05:24]
Tim:
... not this season but the season prior, uh-
Brandon:
Mm-hmm.
Tim:
... the f- p- when he was doing the VCR shop.
Brandon:
Oh, right, yeah. Yeah.
Tim:
The f- that, uh, that, uh, drums... that drum fill that you read at the end, there w- that like gu du, gu, gu, gu du, gu du, gu du, gu.
Brandon:
(laughs) Du, du, du. Yeah.
Tim:
That was like... I think I tweeted at you about that because it reminded me of, uh, 'In The Air Tonight.
Brandon:
Oh, yeah. I love that. It was, uh, that was a lot of fun to write. I remember, um, scouring the libraries I have, trying to find, um, like decent LinnDrum, uh, samples. And I couldn't find anything. And so I went to, Phil, our senior producer who's, yeah, you know, he's like the sound effects guru. And I was like, "Hey, man, where can I get some, like, legitimate LinnDrum samples?" And so, he put those together for me, that is played, um-
Tim:
Is it like David Linn?
Brandon:
I don't, I don't... I actually don't know. It's just, um, like that. It was a really popular drum machine from that time.
Tim:
Yeah. I think that's David Linn. You know, just like Linn's did the... Uh, I went to one of... Where I used to record records, uh, when I was a, when I was a musician. Uh, he came to the studio one time and did a demonstration.
Brandon:
Hmm. That's really cool.
Tim:
Yeah.
Brandon:
Yeah. It was a super iconic sound. And so, I had to use it.
Tim:
Yeah, I know. It was really cool. Um, that was my favorite part of that intro.
Brandon:
Oh, thank you very much.
Tim:
Yeah. and then I saw you were into the modular stuff. Are you playing a... In that video that you have pinned at the top of your Twitter, are you playing a bow on your modular?
Brandon:
Yeah. yeah. It's, um, it's a little, um, kind of self-contained unit called, um, the Resonant Garden from Folktek. This company out of Portland. And so it's got, um, like, there's basically three modules in this box. Then there's also three separate parts that are just like, uh, wires sticking out of it. And you can just kind of bow those. And you can also use that, it's like a really nice wooden box that was put into. And it can kind of work as, like, a preamp or a microphone. And so you can kind of, you can play with it so many different ways. But, yeah. Bowing-
Tim:
I also hear through resonation.
Brandon:
Yeah, yeah. Bowing is like the w- main way to use that thing.
Tim:
I'm actually, uh, deaf in one ear.
Brandon:
Hold on.
Tim:
And, um, the hearing aid that I have, the BP100. So basically, there's a titanium rod just crammed into my skull, you know, this little box on it.
Brandon:
Oh, wow!
Tim:
And it makes the sound resonate through my whole skull. So, I can actually plug like an iPod into my head.
Brandon:
Are you serious?
Tim:
Yeah, I act- when I first did it, I used to run like delay pedals into it and just like kind of sit there and watch movies with like a little bit of delay and reverb like a weirdo.
Brandon:
I would have done the same thing. That's so awesome.
Tim:
Yeah, so it wan- Yes, it's fantastic, especially (laughing) if you're a stoner. But that's legal here. So I don't know about Ohio. But, uh-
Brandon:
(Laughs) that's not legal here, you know, unfortunately.
Tim:
That's too bad.
Brandon:
yeah.
Tim:
Everybody's so nice out there. I think you guys really need it.
Brandon:
(laughs) I wouldn't complain. (laughs)
Tim:
Yeah. Everybody's got such cool basements. And they, and they make a lot of really good stew.
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
I spent, I spent a couple of weeks there as a kid, so, yeah. Yeah.
Brandon:
Oh, cool.
Tim:
Um, so, um, before I start nerding out on, like, your sci-fi horror, uh, past, um, which, uh-
Brandon:
(laughs)
Tim:
... which, uh, ghosts or which story, um, are you most proud of scoring on The NoSleep?
Brandon:
That's a tough one. Um, I have different stories that I'm proud of for different reasons. I typically... when people ask me, like, my favorite score or what was the most fun, or what am I most attached to, I typically lean towards the finales.
Tim:
Mm-hmm.
Brandon:
And it's only because for an average episode, for the week, you know, we normally have, like, five, five or six stories. And I typically score one story a day that week. And, um, so I don't get to really spend a lot of time, and, and the story kind of conceptualizing or thinking about the tone. And I don't really get to dig my teeth into it as much as with the finale, I have, you know, the whole week or two, um, just focused on one environment. So I get to really kind of, you know, explore it. And so I would say it's a very long-winded answer, but I think my, my favorite score that I've done is probably Whitefall.
Tim:
Which one was Whitefall?
Brandon:
It was the season finale. Hmm, oh, shoot, this, I think, season 11 or season 12. It was one of the more recent ones. It all... it's all run together for me, but it's the, um, the bus station story. Yeah.
Tim:
Oh! That was so good.
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
Yeah. That was intense, man. That was, like, ugh, man, it was so, so tough. That's so hard to listen to-
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
... but hard to stop listening to at the same time.
Brandon:
Right.
Tim:
That could have been a movie.
Brandon:
Oh, I, I hope it will do one day. loved the scoring because that's, it's... that was a story where I think it w- we're already ahead of schedule. So, I had more time than normal to kind of, um, dig into it and, and actually get notes from David and, and, you know, follow his vision for it.
Tim:
I mean, yeah, just thinking about it right now, like, I can see the station in my mind, and I can see what all the people look like, you know?
Brandon:
Right.
Tim:
Like it was, it was that good.
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
What was the hardest one?
Brandon:
The hardest one?
Tim:
Yeah.
Brandon:
Hmm. That's tough. I don't know. It's, it's hard to say what's the hardest because I don't really get many notes from David. Although, like a week-to-week basis, he pretty much just kind of lets me do my thing. It's a, it's weirdly like a dream job. In that way, I get to just kind of explore and do whatever I want. (laughs) A- and, uh, so the hardest, um, that's tough. I, I think the hardest ones are every year, uh, either Halloween or Christmas because we do so much, that it's just, um, you know, pedal to the metal trying to get everything done before the deadline.
Tim:
A- and it's the stress of the holidays, too.
Brandon:
Yeah. Yeah. The stress of the holidays. And I'm, I'm sitting there trying to write 40 pieces of music in 10 days or something like that. And, that can be pretty stressful. But it o- it doesn't feel, it doesn't feel hard. It's just, it's just a lot of work, you know?
Tim:
Yeah. No, that, that, that is, yeah, that is a lot of work, but it's, uh, it must be cool to... Do you get a lot of people twee- tweeting at you saying, you know, like this stuff for, um-
Brandon:
You know, it's kind of, it's kind of here and there. It doesn't really... it's, it's strange, sometimes I get mentioned and somet- it's, it's really just depends. It's hard to say. I think a lot of people, just because it blends into the background so much, some people don't really... I hope they notice it. I hope it adds to the atmosphere and the environment, but they don't really feel compelled to acknowledge it as much as say the story or the acting done in it, it seems like.
Tim:
So, do you mix the whole episode, too, or do you just give the score to somebody else to mix?
Brandon:
No, I just do the... I, I just do the music. We have three awesome producers on staff, with Jesse, Jeff and Phil.
Tim:
Huh!
Brandon:
Um, yeah. And they, you know, I just... I, I, I don't even choose where the music goes. I don't place it. I just... They send me like a rough mix of the story. I listened to it, kind of get an idea. And I just write, you know, however much music they need and send it to them. They place it wherever they they feel it fits.
Tim:
And then, do you go on the tour as well?
Brandon:
Yes, I do go on the tours. That is, you know, that is the one time where, you know, everyone after the show, during the meet and greet they mention that they like my music. So, that's where I hear it more than on Twitter or any- anything like that.
Tim:
I mean, if you guys come back to Oakland, I'll have to come say hi.
Brandon:
Yeah. We, we've done Oakland twice this past year.
Tim:
You guys are selling out The Fox, right?
Brandon:
I'm sorry.
Tim:
You guys sold out The Fox, didn't you?
Brandon:
Oh, in Oakland, no. We played at... Um, our first two tours in Oakland, we played at the Metro Opera House.
Tim:
(laughs) That's even bigger.
Brandon:
Yeah. but then, last year, we actually played in... in San Francisco. I'm trying to remember what the place was called. But, it's, it's, oh, the, oh, it's like a swe- it's like a Swedish name or something like that.
Tim:
Swedish Music Hall?
Brandon:
That's it.
Tim:
Yeah.
Brandon:
I knew I knew it. Swedish Music Hall.
Tim:
That's my, the pla- so there's Cafe Du Nord and the Swedish Music Hall. They're both kind of tied together.
Brandon:
Okay.
Tim:
Cafe Du- Cafe Du Nord is like in my 20s, that's where, uh, when I was really into music, I could go see a band. And then like that was the last spot. You can see, like a good, like... Have you ever heard like Menomena, or, uh-
Brandon:
Mm-hmm.
Tim:
Yeah, like Menomena. That was like the last spot I got to see them before they made it, like, you know, or play in the, the bigger venues and stuff like that.
Brandon:
Wow! Right. Right.
Tim:
So that's kind of like how that place was for me.
Brandon:
That's pretty cool.
Tim:
Yeah, yeah. It's a, it's a super great place. And they have great, um, corn dog bites.
Brandon:
Oh, wow! I wish I'd known that. (laughing)
Tim:
So, when you were a kid growing up, what, uh, horror or sci-fi, uh, were you into?
Brandon:
Um, I think, horror for me didn't really catch on until I was older.I watched horror movies here and there. But, honestly, they always really scared me as a kid like Chucky and that kind of stuff really just scared (laughs) the hell out of me. Um, but I, I will say that I did read, Goosebumps like nobody's business. So, I think maybe that's why also the storytelling of NoSleep maybe, attracted me more than, um, than anything is like that... I don't know that, like, the aspect of reading a story.
Tim:
Do you think any of that? And do you think any of the media that you, uh, that you, uh, took in as when you were younger had any effect on the stuff that you write for NoSleep?
Brandon:
When I was younger? I don't know. Like growing up, hmm, I wasn't musical at all. I didn't, I, I... my dad got me a guitar when I was 13. And I hated it.
Tim:
(laughs)
Brandon:
...and I still hate the guitar. I don't like how-
Tim:
Yeah, me, too. (laughs)
Brandon:
I don't like how, how it works. But, (laughs) I'm still, I'm still... I still have them. And I, I, I play it from time to time. But, um, I'm a piano gaming keyboard guy. But, growing up, I would say I didn't really consider music i- in this way that I do now until maybe I saw The Dark Knight. I think the-
Tim:
That was nice.
Brandon:
I think that was the first time I was really like, "Oh, my god, I want... I, I think this is really cool how the music affects this movie." So-
Tim:
I still remember what it sounds like. It sounds like-
Brandon:
Oh, yeah.
Tim:
Yeah. Just those crazy strings and the, uh, um, just- that was so intense.
Brandon:
Yeah. That entrance sequence, the bank robberies. It's one of the greatest scenes ever. Yeah, it-
Tim:
Are you talking about the one with the airplane or the, uh?
Brandon:
No, no, The Dark Knight. The Joker one.
Tim:
Oh, right, right, right.
Brandon:
... just ra- ratcheting up the tension.
Tim:
Yes. The... Did you see The Joker?
Brandon:
I did, yes.
Tim:
That was a great, great score, too.
Brandon:
Yeah. Yeah. Hildur Guðnadóttirt.
Tim:
It-
Brandon:
I loved, I loved what she did with that. It was incredible.
Tim:
I think my, my all-time favorite score is... Sicario.
Brandon:
Yeah. By her, but her score for Sicario, too or?
Tim:
Oh, that's the same one?
Brandon:
Well, no. She... So, it's actually kind of cool. I'm a big fan of Hildur because she used to work with Johann Johannsson, who scored, Sicario with her, I believe.
Tim:
You know, he... rest in peace...
Brandon:
Yeah. And, and unfortunately, he passed. And so seeing her have all the success is really cool.
Tim:
Um, yeah. No, that's really cool. Uh, do you happen to know if, uh, that was... you know, how the... be, be like the long envelope, and then it would do a pitch bend? Do you know if that was live strings or synths?
Brandon:
For?
Tim:
Just the general sounds in Sicario, like when they were doing the, kind of like those drone shots before they would go into battle.
Brandon:
Oh, yeah. I honestly don't know, but it was just knowing, uh, I would guess, smyths, you know?
Tim:
Cool. Were you into sci-fi?
Brandon:
Not much growing up, I, I don't know if like... I mean I liked… I'm trying to think I... My dad was a big Star Wars guy. So I liked, I don't know if you... Is the Star Wars technically sci-fi? I don't know.
Tim:
You know, I'm not a Star Wars guy, so I don't, I don't really know.
Brandon:
Hmm.
Tim:
I mean, I've seen every single one of them, but I don't like, uh-
Brandon:
Right.
Tim:
Yeah. I, I don't care to like argue or get into things with people about it.
Brandon:
Yeah. I'm not-
Tim:
I'm more of a s- a Star Trek guy.
Brandon:
I'm not too... oh, okay. Yeah. Uh, it's hard to say like, I mean, um, I, I don't remember specifically being a fan of any science fiction growing up. But definitely, like an, in adulthood, it is definitely more appealing to me.
Tim:
So, uh, could you say that, NoSleep podcast is, uh, opening up your dark side?
Brandon:
It's definitely, it's definitely embracing it. It's definitely uncovering what's there, I think… or I, I hope what's been there all along, it just kind of helps me figure that kind of stuff out.
Tim:
I was expecting you to be like, oh, John Carpenter like...
Brandon:
Oh, right. Yeah. No, it- I didn't really grow up with that kind of stuff. I just...
Tim:
Oh, no! The... This is even cooler because I, you know...I like to be wrong.
Brandon:
Well, no. It's, I mean, it's, it's one of those things where, you know, it almost feels like a different life. Growing up I just, I played sports all the time. I was just, you know, always playing baseball or soccer or whatever. And then, I kinda got rid of that stuff as I became an adult and, started, you know, exploring music and really got into it, and here I am. (laughs)
Tim:
That's really cool, man.
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
How does the whole system work? Is everybody... You guys are all in different states, like-
Brandon:
Oh, we're all over the place. So David Cummings, he’s, at headquarters.
Tim:
He's in Canada?
Brandon:
He's in Ontario. I'm in Cincinnati. Phil Michalski is the Senior Producer, he is in Alicante, Spain.
Tim:
Oh, wow!
Brandon:
Jeff, Clement, another producer, is also in Ontario, but not close to David. And then, I don't even know where Jesse Cornett is. I think he's, he's somewhere in the Midwest with me, but I don't know exactly where. Yeah, so we're... and then I mean, a stable of 30 voice actors all over the world. So-
Tim:
When NoSleep goes on tour, and, uh, they left Peter in charge?
Brandon:
Mm-hmm.
Tim:
Did you score those episodes, too?
Brandon:
I did, but I can't. It's hard for me to be specific with it because I, basically, just give the producers my library of everything I've already done for the show. And they just kind of pick and choose from there because I, I obviously don't have a chance to write it while I'm on the road.
Tim:
Gotcha.
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
The... yeah, those episodes are always my favorite when they leave Peter in charge because, like, he, he's so bizarre.
Brandon:
(laughs) I haven't noticed.
Tim:
(laughs) Were you… hmm… Are you staying current with any sci-fi or horror now?
Brandon:
Ooh, hmm, sci-fi or horror now? I am watching, I don't know. I watch a lot of series. Uh, it's hard for me to find a lot of time to watch them, but I've been watching The Outsider from HBO.
Tim:
That was good.
Brandon:
I'm kind of just going through HBO right now because like while I've got the membership, I just kind of go through everything. So, I really enjoyed Watchmen. I'm watching The Outsider.
Tim:
Watchmen is fantastic.
Brandon:
I like Westworld a lot. I wanted... I, I loved the first season of Westworld. It really blew me away.
Tim:
Yeah. Me, too.
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
Uh, the second season was a little... There was one fantastic episode in the second season, but the rest of it was like, I felt like I was waiting to get through too many Cowboy and Indian scenes.
Brandon:
Yeah. I just... I liked the show a lot. It just felt like, um, I don't know. I, I don't... I didn't really have a huge problem with season two. I just kind of missed how season one felt.
Tim:
Right. Yeah. And I know you mean by that, but I hear, season three is a whole different story, a whole different feel.
Brandon:
Yeah. The first episode for season three was a banger.
Tim:
Oh, yeah? It was good.
Brandon:
I loved it.
Tim:
Oh, man, I can't wait to watch. I'm just gonna check it out.
Brandon:
Well, I guess, it's... I mean, I, one of my favorite TV shows is obviously Black Mirror.
Tim:
Oh, yeah.
Brandon:
That's a huge one for me.
Tim:
I remember the, was it Miley Cyrus episode or the-
Brandon:
Sure, yeah.
Tim:
Yeah. I remember like the first time they played that song, I was like, "Wait a minute. Wait a minute, wait a minute."
Brandon:
(laughs)
Tim:
Then I was like, "Bow down before," you know like-
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
And I was like they stole this song. They're like-
Brandon:
(laughs)
Tim:
... because, my wife can't handle it because whenever we... we hear a song on the radio, I just started singing whatever song it used to be.
Brandon:
Right.
Tim:
Yeah, yeah. It's like a problem I have, like a neurotic tick. Like I'm just like, this is, this is that. Like I should just make mashups, that should be my job.
Brandon:
I have a, I have a similar thing. I was like, not necessarily bad, but, like if we're watch- if my wife and I were watching a movie or something, and she starts to like... she's like, "Is that from something?" I'm like, "No, you think"... I was like, "No, that's, that's part of the score, but you're thinking it's this." And I'll pull up the song that she's thinking of, you know, or like in Westworld, um, season three. Uh, they do a really cool remix of Dissolved girl by Massive Attack. And, it's really subtle how it’s in the show but like immediately, I would say... I was like, "Oh, this, that's what this is."
Tim:
(laughs)
Brandon:
Yeah. (laughs)
Tim:
... You know, Leftovers... the, the guy who did the Watchmen, he did that show, Leftovers.
Brandon:
Okay, yeah. yeah, I, I know the music from Leftovers a bit, from Max Richter, but I haven't watched the show yet. I've been told, I've been told to watch it.
Tim:
I- It's my, uh, all-time favorite show.
Brandon:
Wow!
Tim:
Obviously, it does... It's actually doesn't get really really good until you watch all three seasons the second time.
Brandon:
Oh, okay. (laughs)
Tim:
There's things from the first episode that don't make sense until the very last episode.
Brandon:
Oh, okay.
Tim:
Like it's, you know, it's just beautifully executed. I felt like he had spent so much time on LOST, not really knowing where anything was going and there was no payoff, that he just-
Brandon:
hmm-
Tim:
... that he just made... tied everything up nicely in Leftovers. I mean that's just my, my take. And I don't know if he really did that.
Brandon:
That's not how Watchmen up for me. Like how it wrapped up really nicely.
Tim:
Yeah. I mean I really hope they do more of that. That was... because it was-
Brandon:
I would love it. Yeah.
Tim:
I love how it was like, you know, sort of normal for the first couple episodes, and then it just started getting weirder and weirder.
Brandon:
Yeah. Yeah. It was… involved. It's just crazy.
Tim:
Yeah. Very, very impressive. And, the woman, I don't remember her name, but the, the female lead, with the cool black car.
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
She was one of the main leads in Leftovers as well.
Brandon:
Oh, okay. Cool. Yeah. She's great.
Tim:
Yeah. Um, I also really like, for sci-fi, uh, Legion was-
Brandon:
Okay. Yeah. I've not watched that yet. A- again, I know that music from Jeff Russo, but-
Tim:
Yeah, Jeff Russo's great.
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
he, uh, he's done most of my favorite stuff. And, the stuff he did in Legion is kind of really out of the box, uh, for any other TV show.
Brandon:
Yeah. Yeah. I heard him on a podcast called Score, and he talks about it. It's, it's really cool.
Tim:
I'm gonna have to check that out because, I remember-
Brandon:
Oh, yeah. You know, if you like his music, you'll love that episode.
Tim:
There was a scene in, Fargo, where Nikki, the character in season two, was just like kind of kicking ass in this one scene. And the whole thing score was just a drum kit.
Brandon:
Hmm, yeah.
Tim:
And it's just got this, this Jesus like, uh, Jesus. You know, it, it just sounds like a fistfight with the drums. It's so cool.
Brandon:
Yeah, I like that. That's cool.
Tim:
Yeah. And I was like, "How did you do this?" He's like, "Oh, I played it myself." And I was like, "Oh, my god!" We were tweeting back and forth.
Brandon:
(laughs) That's awesome.
Tim:
... he, he's really good in... in the theme song that he wrote for... Discovery.
Brandon:
Right.
Tim:
I watched the video about it. I like almost got emotional watching, you know, a whole symphony do that.
Brandon:
I think it.. yeah.
Tim:
Yeah. I really liked what he did with Star Trek. So I guess, for my last question. if you could score any TV or show or movie for any specific writer/director, who would you pick?
Brandon:
Wow! if I could score any TV show... I mean, I, I would love to do an episode of Black Mirror.
Tim:
Yeah.
Brandon:
That's kind of my dream. hmm.. but movie, I don't know… trying to think. That's a tough.
Tim:
Or also for the... Or also, I'll give you this option. If you could rescore any movie that already exists.
Brandon:
Oh my god. I don't even- I don't know if I'd be able to, to make such a presumption based on someone else that already did the work.
Tim:
Oh, I mean, not that many people read my website. So, I don't think you'll get in trouble (laughing).
Brandon:
But no, I just mean, it's, it's hard to, to... uh, I've never sat through a movie and thought, like, "Oh, I w- I would have done music differently," you know? I just try to embrace it for what it is.
Tim:
I only thought that was-
Brandon:
Kind of, kind of think of a single director that's like... I mean, if, if I had my dream, I kind of know, um, Mike Flanagan and The Newton Brothers a little bit. And I think it'd be cool to work with them just because they have so much history, you know? And, and when I say work with them, I, I... it would always be more of me just kind of observing how they work together..
Tim:
Yeah. What kind of... which, which movies did they do?
Brandon:
but I mean-
Tim:
Uh, w- w- what stuff did they do?
Brandon:
One of my favorite, director/composer and duos is, Paul Thomas Anderson and Jonny Greenwood.
Tim:
Oh, yeah. Those dudes those are my favorite.
Brandon:
I think it'd be cool to work with them, too.
Tim:
That like 45-minute, uh, upright bass and drum thing they did.
Brandon:
So, (laughs) But, those are some of the people I think, like it would... I would just, you know, be, uh, you know, dying to work with.
Tim:
Yeah, they blew my mind on that opening scene in The Master just like 30 minutes of upright bass and hand drums.
Brandon:
Oh, oh! I think I lost you.
Tim:
Can you hear me? Hello. Hello. I can hear you. I call you right back.
Brandon:
Hello?
Tim:
Hello? I'll call you right back.
Tim:
(silence)
Tim:
Hey! Can you hear me?
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
Oh, yeah. I was just... I was freaking out when you said Jonny Greenwood because, uh-
Brandon:
Oh, are you there? (laughs)
Tim:
Yeah. I was talking to nobody for a min... I was saying, my favorite... he's my favorite director, and Inherent Vice is my favorite movie. But my favorite thing that, um, Jonny Greenwood ever scored is that 40-minute long upright bass and hand drum thing in the beginning of The Master.
Brandon:
Yes. Yes.
Tim:
Yeah. It was like, just like two or three upright bass notes, and then just the hand drums.
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
And those guys are like, I don't know drinking rocket fuel and humping, you know, woman they carved out of sand on the beach.
Brandon:
Right. Yeah. That, repeated note, and that sound coming in. It's, it's incredible.
Tim:
Yeah.
Brandon:
What, what Jonny Greenwood does is just mind blowing.
Tim:
Yeah, yeah. He's the drummer for Radiohead?
Brandon:
He's the guitar player/like utility musician. He does all the synthesizer stuff and all that.
Tim:
I read a really cool story about him. I guess some kid was in some cool modular store in Austin, Texas, and some-
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
...and Jonny Greenwood came in and played modular synth with this kid for like an hour.
Brandon:
That's awesome.
Tim:
The kid wrote, wrote about it on Facebook or something.
Brandon:
That's really cool.
Tim:
Yeah, it's really cool because Radiohead, I mean, those guys are so big.
Brandon:
Yeah. They're my all-time favorite band.
Tim:
Yeah, yeah, no, they're great. So, good. Oh, yeah, I showed you my National Anthem cover.
Brandon:
Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Tim:
Yeah. I ju- it was so nice to get my, uh, system up and running. Um, are you trying to g- are you trying to get off the phone?
Brandon:
No, no, no.
Tim:
I was, uh, I g- I just got that CVOCD.
Brandon:
Oh, yeah.
Tim:
And, uh, yeah, man. It, uh, i- it was a little glitchy at first, but I got it going. And it's so nice to just, uh, play Ableton and have it go right to my synth.
Brandon:
See, I got to figure out how that works. I don't use Ableton. I've been told so many times, I need to get into that and figure it out.
Tim:
You know, at first, you're gonna hate it so much. You're like, "What the hell is this?" But then once it clicks, you're just like, "Oh, this is really cool."
Brandon:
Mm-hmm.
Tim:
There's a million YouTube tutorials.
Brandon:
Sure.
Tim:
Yeah. So, it was cool to just like have... be able to control like, you know, one knob, you know, from the-
Brandon:
That's right.
Tim:
I can control the, uh, how the knob works on my, um, on my diode filter, while I'm, while I'm doing stuff to get, like, a cool filter effect or whatever I want.
Brandon:
Yeah. The, the whole, the whole modular world is kind of... it's so new to me. I've only been doing it for, uh, maybe a year and a half now… and I'm, I mean, I'm a, I'm a keyboards guy. I'm a, and I like traditional sense and that kind of stuff. But I mostly write, you know, in the computer and using a lot of software and samples and libraries and that kind of thing. So, I don't know. Like the idea of using it with Ableton is almost like a deterrent for me because I like... what I like about my modular rig is that I'm away from the computer, you know? It's, it's just me and this bizarre machine that I, I only have like a rough idea or a rough understanding of how it works. So (laughs) it's mostly just kind of like playtime. And I get, you know, occasionally, I can use something out of that.
Tim:
Yeah, that's what I liked about it, too, but then I was... The reason I went with the, CV.OCD was because I couldn't afford to get a sequencer.
Brandon:
Right.
Tim:
So, I found this part which is only like, you know, 100 bucks. I can afford that.
Brandon:
Right.
Tim:
(laughs) So now, it's a whole other ballgame.
Brandon:
Right. That's... I got a beat step to try to use for a simplified sequencer.
Tim:
Mine just broke.
Brandon:
Oh, did it? Oh, that's right, yeah. It's... you got that new one. That looks pretty cool.
Tim:
Thank you. The beat step, too, is awesome. They also have a key step.
Brandon:
Right, yeah. I have both. I was using... I actually used the key step last night for a story that will be out on episode, eight, I think, I'm working on them. yeah, it's, it's one of those... I mean, it's an expensive thing to get into and-
Tim:
Oh, yeah!
Brandon:
... I didn't really... I didn't know what I was doing at first. And I was just kind of like watching videos, seeing what sounds cool, what I like, and I'm just kind of buying stuff. And then before I know it. I'm... I kind of have like a lot of redundancy in my rack. Like I've got, I've got two samplers, two sequencers. I mean, and you can use all these things together and stuff. But it's just kind of like, you know, there's limited real estate. So, you know, I've got one sampler back in the box, waiting to build another rack with it, and that kind of thing.
Tim:
Right. Yeah, I mean, I, I could see like if you had enough money, you could probably build a room where the walls were covered in modules.
Brandon:
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Tim:
Yeah, and the ceiling, would be kind of amazing.
Brandon:
Yeah. Uh, I'm, I'm fortunate, uh, you know, that's like towards work and business. So I get to, I get to spend (laughs) money on these toys. but I mean it's just... you can, you can rack up a bill so quick and really… you know, I mean, just to fill out one case, you know, is four or five thousand.
Tim:
Oh, yeah, easy. I mean, I'm looking... I was going through... I was trying to sell a bunch of stuff. And I priced everything, and then, uh, I was putting it up. And the whole time I was just going, "I hope this doesn't sell. I hope this doesn't sell."
Brandon:
Right, yeah.
Tim:
And, uh, luckily, I only sold one module that I wanted to keep, the Bastille Instruments Tea Kick? The one I had, it had the wood plate.
Brandon:
Oh, right, yeah.
Tim:
And, I did not like the wood plate. So, uh, I just ordered another one with the regular metal plates.
Brandon:
Right.
Tim:
And so that kind of worked out. And then I just sold a couple like ADSRs and VCAs before.
Brandon:
Right.
Tim:
So I got lucky, I didn't lose any of my Make Noise stuff.
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
Yeah.
Brandon:
It's cool that… I mean, the community wants to buy and sell stuff, too, which is kind of a cool trade. And, I don't know. I, I... When I first built one, I kind of built on my... I got the, the Tip Top Mantis rack first.
Tim:
That's what I have.
Brandon:
Yeah. And, and I kind of filled that out with essentially was basically already in the Make Noise shared system.
Tim:
So, what's the, what, what's the shared system compared to, like, they're just regular stuff?
Brandon:
The shared system is just like it's all in its own case. It comes already put together. It's an... it's Make Noise case, and it's got... I'm trying to get all that's in it.
Tim:
Also, that's how you got the rack that you sent me the picture of, the b- all black. It was just like that.
Brandon:
Right, yeah. That's, that's the word. Like if you buy as the shared system it’s all black.
Tim:
Oh, cool, I thought you took the time to find all the black modules and all that.
Brandon:
No, no. And that's not even the case anymore. My, my Make Noise case is off, put away. This is... I mean, I got... I had to get a bigger case because I want to expand that system.
Tim:
Your system's gorgeous, man.
Brandon:
Thank you. I'm looking at it, that so much of it is like black and gold and silver. So, it kind of matches. There's, like, I've got the [inaudible 00:35:54] and some other, like, you know, mutable stuff that stands out of silver but, um, but yeah, it was just trying to expand on, on that system. And you know, part of me was to take all the Make Noise stuff out of this thing and put it back in that original case just because it's... It works so well in that little box together. and then that will give me more room for buying more modules for this case. (laughs)
Tim:
Yeah, I think eventually, uh, I'd love to get all of the, all of the Mutable Instruments stuff because it's so weird.
Brandon:
Yeah, they're so awesome. It's very cool. I have their sampler, Marbles.
Tim:
Oh, I was just looking at that. What's it sampling.
Brandon:
I think... I don't know. I don't know why it’s called a sampler. I think it's because it's kind of like a storable memory or something. I have no idea how it works. I have the manual, but I haven't read it yet.
Tim:
And do you-
Brandon:
That's like... That's my newest one.
Tim:
Yeah. I see, uh, the one everybody's always talking about is Maths. I have no idea what that does.
Brandon:
Yeah. Maths is an envelope generator. I use it, but, I was actually thinking today, I need to do more research on it because I don't think I'm, I'm definitely using it, but I don't think I'm using it right because it's, it's hard to use it with like the rise and fall envelope generation like going through it. Uh, it's, it's, it's just a bizarre... so much of a Make Noise stuff is kind of just... I almost don't wanna learn how to use it right because I just like playing around. And, you know, patching stuff to see what will happen. But, yeah, I mean maths is by far one of the top most popular modules. And I have no idea if I'm using it right or not.
Tim:
I think I... I always have the, you know, the Make Noise Echophon?
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
I never... I mean I could always sometimes get cool sounds out of it, but for some reason, I never plugged, uh, drums into it, until last night.
Brandon:
Oh, cool.
Tim:
And now I get it, like, (laughs)-
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
... now I'm like, "Oh, this is so I can do that really cool like, uh," what's that sound, it's almost like a delay. It's like, it sounds like when drugs kick in.
Brandon:
Right. Right, yeah. It's j- it's like that really far off delay.
Tim:
Yeah.
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
And so I think, I... I don't know if, because I think it was just using it on like lead lines for sounds.
Brandon:
Right, yeah. It's, it's cool, like, uh, I've been using that in the Mimeo phone. Um, like, that's like the, the permanent end of my, my, outgoing part of the rack is always Mimeo Phone Echophon, and then Out because those are the last few guys that I'm almost certainly going to always use, to some extent.
Tim:
What do you use for your mixer?
Brandon:
I just have the little, what's it called... Rosie. It’s a little Make Noise, just got, uh, you know, a left and right in, and then it's a quarter inch out.
Tim:
Oh, wow. I mean, I just got the, I've had it for, like... actually, I didn't just get it. I've had it a couple of years. And it, it sounds really incredible. It's the, Pittsburgh Modular Lifeforms.
Brandon:
Yeah, I've always [inaudible 00:39:01] I liked... I, I have the [crosstalk 00:39:02]
Tim:
It sounds mastered, It sounds so good.
Brandon:
Really? That's awesome.
Tim:
Yeah. You get, you get an AUX send and, 5-Inputs and a bus. So, like, you can do a crossfader-type thing, like, where you can listen to a line before you put it out with your mix.
Brandon:
Oh, that's kind of cool.
Tim:
Yeah.
Brandon:
I think there's, there's one thing like that on the system. Um, there's a couple different mixer type modules. Like, like, you know, it's like, it's all the Make Noise stuff like you can kind of use Maths like that. It's got four inputs, you know what I mean? Or a, uh, but I've, I've also got... I've got like, maybe four or five different points on my modular where you can kind of have multiple inputs and control the volume.
Tim:
Do you ever use that stuff with... I think you’d said you had a Moog 1?
Brandon:
Um, no, I wish (laughs). I have a Voyager XL.
Tim:
Oh, wow.
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
That's a heavy... That's a nice big, fat sound there.
Brandon:
It's, it's kind of like my most priz- I love the modular stuff. But this guy, it's like I, I had one on one for as long as I've been into synthesizers. I'm like, I'm, I'm literally wearing a crown right now.
Tim:
Nice.
Brandon:
And, uh, like I've always like I idolized this specific synthesizer. And I was i- you know, like it's in Trent Reznor studios and that kind of thing. I'm like, "I want this thing so bad." And luckily, through working on NoSleep, I was able to save money over time. And I got, one of the last ones in production before they...
Tim:
That's really cool.
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
That, that, that's really freaking cool.
Brandon:
So, I'm so happy to have it.
Tim:
wow
Brandon:
And man if you plug this thing into the modular system and you run it, dude.
Tim:
I've always wanted to do that. I've brought my modular over to my buddy's house, and, um, it wasn’t Moog 1, but I think it's called, uh, I wanna say, an ES2. It's like an old Rackmount thing. I can't remember who it's by. But yeah, we plugged the modular into that thing and sounded pretty freaking great.
Brandon:
Dude, it's fun to plug stuff. Like there's one I forget the name of the story, but a couple of weeks ago, I did one story for NoSleep. And it's entirely me playing the cello into a microphone feeding into my modular, and just kind of distorting the sound from there.
Tim:
Oh, wow, I, I wanna have to... I might have to go back and try and find it. Like, uh, I mean that cool little bass line you did in that drug story on last week's episode-
Brandon:
Oh, right, yeah.
Tim:
... that was like, that was really cool. That was, that was one of my favorite stories that I've heard in a long time.
Brandon:
It's... Yeah, that was actually just [inaudible 00:41:44] episode today. I'm trying to catch up. And, I, I like that one a lot. Trying to get with the list, kind of see which one. I know Jeff produced it. And it was another... It was like another trippies. Whenever there's like a trivia weird story, I'm like, "Okay, this is a chance to experiment with the modular event as you might get some wacky sounds and see what I get."
Tim:
Oh, god! There was one story with so- some song that made me wanna rip my eyes out. Um, it was about a bunch of little kids, and they would like go to a shed. And they would sing some little nursery rhyme.
Brandon:
Oh, was it the Ants Go Marching?
Tim:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. that's it. I mean, I mean he didn't badly record them singing it, but it was like, ahh-
Brandon:
Right.
Tim:
... like, uh, but I mean it was meant to do that.
Brandon:
Right, yeah. You know, drive you insane.
Tim:
Okay, so you're, you're just doing the music thing. I thought you were doing everything.
Brandon:
No, no. We, you know, we have three producers. It's typically, Phil will do three stories a week. He's kind of our main guy, as far as he takes the most workload. And then, Jeff and Jesse each do a story. And they, they've all kind of got their own styles and, and things like that.
Tim:
Uh, wouldn't start it, w- was it already like that, or did that grow as the podcast grew?
Brandon:
No. It didn't really start like that. I mean, originally it was just, you know, just David on his own, and then, then it was me and David. I mean, there were... they, they were voice actors, obviously. So, then it was me and David. David was doing all the production, and I was doing the music. We were kind of a two-man show there for a bit. I'm trying to think... I think he brought in... Don't remember who was first. But I remember when he brought in Phil, because I, I already knew Jeff and Jesse from being voice actors and working on other projects with him outside of NoSleep. And then he brought in Phil, and, and so there was this new guy. And, that I think, that was kind of when It started to, to take its current shape. David always has the ability to kind of attract people who are like minded and, and kind of work in a similar fashion, I guess.
Tim:
Yeah. He seems like a really nice guy.
Brandon:
Oh, yeah. David is the nicest.
Tim:
So when, uh, the first time you guys met face to face? Was at trippy because you guys probably have worked a lot together.
Brandon:
I mean we met the first time on the first tour, which I guess was three and a half years ago or three, three, or four... three or four years ago, I guess, now. it's got to be three years. No way, it's been four years. But yeah, I don't know it. It, it was weird in the sense that I've known this guy for years, and we've talked all the time and work together. But you know, I saw him in the airport, and I went and gave him a big hug, and then we just sat down to wait for everyone else to show up, you know.
Tim:
That's crazy. I was a, I shot a documentary last year about this, uh, kid in Texas that got s- uh, he was a comedian. He got stabbed for no reason.
Brandon:
Oh, wow.
Tim:
So, uh, and I was gonna go out to Texas for a couple of weeks and like, you know, kind of, uh, not prank him, but prank him in a positive way, like, you know, l- like, I threw a party for them and we roasted him. And-
Brandon:
Hmm.
Tim:
... um, you know we all wrote jokes. And like, just kind of like told them we were filming this documentary. And I made myself seem a little bit more Hollywood than actually was, but it was mostly just kind of like-
Brandon:
Ah!
Tim:
... I talk to him every day on the phone, recorded every conversation all that stuff, just so like, he wouldn't spend more time thinking about how he got stabbed. Um, (laughs)-
Brandon:
All right.
Tim:
... and then I remember going to his house, you know, the first time I met him and like talking to his family. And it was like, I was already family.
Brandon:
Right.
Tim:
It's strange how a that's such a possibility these days with the Internet.
Brandon:
It's wild.
Tim:
How's everything going with your, COVID, um, shelter?
Brandon:
(laughs) I mean, I, I spend most of my time in this room anyway. So, it hasn't really (laughs) affected me all that much.
Tim:
Yeah. That's what I've been telling my wife. I'm like, "Welcome to How I live." (laughs)
Brandon:
Right, yeah. Yeah.
Tim:
Yeah.
Brandon:
Groceries are harder to find. But other than that, not too different.
Tim:
That's cool. Did you do let your daughter play with the modular?
Brandon:
She doesn't really play with it. She likes to, she's only... She's almost four, so she is more into, like, I'll give her the microphone and she'll sing into it, and I'll play along, you know?
Tim:
Nice.
Brandon:
...and kind of just play around and goof around, stuff like that. I'm gonna get her, hmm, what are they called? There's like that little kid synthesizer for her birthday this year, like the Blipblox or whatever it's called. I don't know if you've seen that. It's like a little toy-
Tim:
I- there's a, there's also the Bleep Labs stuff.
Brandon:
Yeah. hmm, I mean, this is like, it's literally like a, a children's toy with oscillators. That's pretty cool.
Tim:
Oh, what's it called?
Brandon:
I think it's called the Blipblox, I might be wrong.
Tim:
Oh, is it-
Brandon:
I have to look it up.
Tim:
Wait, the Blip is by Dr. Bleep?
Brandon:
I have no idea who makes it.
Tim:
I have a bunch of toys by this guy named Dr. Bleep. It's like a box with this, like, the, the face but like, you know, the eyes and the nose are switches, and like they m- like makes crazy noises.
Brandon:
Right. I'm gonna have to look this up. It's... I know Perfect Circuit sells it, and uh, (laughs)-
Tim:
I'm waiting for a package from those guys right now.
Brandon:
Oh, really?
Tim:
Yeah.
Brandon:
I went out there when I was in California for the last tour and went to their shop.
Tim:
In Burbank?
Brandon:
Yeah, in Burbank. That's pretty cool.
Tim:
It's so amazing.
Brandon:
It's by Playtime Engineering. it's called the Blipblox synthesizer.
Tim:
I'm gonna have to get that for my godson.
Brandon:
It's, yeah, it's super cool.
Tim:
It was funny when I was at Perfect Circuit. This one kid was hanging out, teaching me how to work, uh, some module. And then I realized like, "Wait, I know your voice." And he was like, "Yeah, I know your voice, too." And I was like, "Wait, did you walk me through"... c- there was some module I couldn't get to work, and he talked to me for like a half hour.
Brandon:
Yeah. The- I mean their staff there is like, I feel like every time I email or order something, it's always the same guy I'm talking to.
Tim:
Yeah, they're really nice folks.
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
Yeah, man! Well, hey, this is, uh, this whole thing has been really great. And I appreciate you, uh, you know, tweeting back at me about modular stuff. And-
Brandon:
Oh, yeah. My pleasure. I mean, anytime, anyone brings up a gear, I'll just nerd out forever, so.
Tim:
Cool, man. Yeah, I'll, um, maybe I'll, uh, uh, I was thinking about maybe making a little video like a thirty second video on Instagram. But if I do, I'll put it on Twitter, too. I'll @ you.
Brandon:
Awesome.
Tim:
Just crazy excited to open the modular again, you know?
Brandon:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't blame you. And, uh, if you, if you are curious, that story with the cello and a modular, I finally found it, it's the Doomsday Disease. The Elias Witherow story from Episode Two from Season 14.
Tim:
Okay, cool. Episode Two, Season 14.
Brandon:
I used that, the Doepfer for an audio input module. So much fun.
Tim:
I love those guys. I got an LFO from them. And I'd swear it's like two and a half minutes long.
Brandon:
(laughs)
Tim:
So, you can just do a real long swell.
Brandon:
Yeah. See I, yeah, I kind of wanna get a rack of just their stuff, just to, you know, have a nice, all silver rack, just all...
Tim:
it's, yeah, it's kind of the best. I just ordered a whole bunch of, Doepfer plates, so I can fill all the empty spots in my rack with them.
Brandon:
Oh, really? Yeah.
Tim:
Yeah.
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
Yeah. cool, man. Well, I got to wrap it up because I gotta deal with a bunch of stuff around the house. But, I'm gonna, take the recording of this, send it off to, rev.com. And then they'll send me a transcript in about a week. And then I'll post.
Brandon:
Sure.
Tim:
Is there anything you don't want me to add, or, uh, can I just do this whole thing in its entirety?
Brandon:
Yeah, it's fine with me.
Tim:
Awesome, dude.
Brandon:
I don't think there's anything too offensive or anything, so (laughs).
Tim:
I don't even think we swore.
Brandon:
I don't... Maybe I didn't. That's, that's a first for me (laughing).
Tim:
Cool, man! Well, I ca- I can't wait to listen to more of the show, and hear more what you do.
Brandon:
Awesome.
Tim:
Yeah. And, tell everybody... I know you don't have to, but tell them “thank you” for putting out the extra episodes this week during the quarantine.
Brandon:
I'll definitely mention that in our, our big work chat.
Tim:
Yeah. That's cool. Uh... do you think anybody would mind if, um, when I promote this, if I tag NoSleep?
Brandon:
I don't think they'll mind. That's fine.
Tim:
Okay. So, I'll just say, you know, uh, I'll tag you from The NoSleep podcast.
Brandon:
Yeah. That's really fine.
Tim:
Is that fine?
Brandon:
Yeah.
Tim:
Okay, cool. Um, thanks so much, man, because we're a little site. So that should-
Brandon:
Oh, yeah, my pleasure.
Tim:
Yeah. That should definitely get us, you know, 20, 30, more hits or something, you know? (laughs)
Brandon:
Hopefully. I hope so.
Tim:
Yeah. I hope so, too. If you ever wanna chat gear, hit me up, dude.
